why is the CBR125R has a 6speed trans and the Grom doesn't?

Scoobs · Feb 21, 2014

I was looking at the bike for 2014 on honda.ca and I saw the return of the CBR125R. It got me thinking when I saw the 6speed gear box it came with.
Why did we get the 4speed instead of a 6speed? The price of the CBR125R is almost the same as the Grom, why not use the same transmission?
Can it be bolted on to the Grom?

FXCLM5 · Feb 21, 2014

well if they put that 6spd in the grom the MSRP in Thai would be close to 3000 usd, and that would translate to a $4200 msrp grom stateside......

Challyfreel · Feb 22, 2014

It might be an entirely different engine and tranny

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LateNA · Feb 22, 2014

It is only a $300 difference in MSRP from the Grom to the CBR125R. But the Grom doesn't need any additional gears, it can barely pull 4th gear on the top end. But the CBR is liquid cooled, has a different bore and stroke, pretty much a totally different engine.

Strokd_GE · Feb 22, 2014

Maybe because the cbr is a sportbike?

Challyfreel · Feb 22, 2014

Strokd_GE said:
Maybe because the cbr is a sportbike?

The grom is in the same category as the cbr250 on Hondas website
So I would assume the 125 is the same

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turbobusa · Feb 22, 2014

my busa got 6 speeds

Challyfreel · Feb 22, 2014

turbobusa said:
my busa got 6 speeds

Yes a bike with an engine bigger than a smart car engine should definitely have 6 speeds

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fashionrider712 · Feb 22, 2014

i'm pretty sure the cbr125/250 has a vertical engine. i would like to try a fit a cbr engine into the grom frame that would be pretty awesome.

mecevans · Feb 22, 2014

CBR needs more gears because it has a very peaky powerband and probably doesnt make power till 7k. Therefore needing a very close ratio transmission. The Grom on the other hand is pretty torquey for its size. I have a feeling the stock ECM is holding back power by retarding the timing. Who knows maybe someone will make a 5th gear like the pitbikes.

honda4life05 · Feb 22, 2014

Anyone know the top speed on the cbr?

Gotwake424 · Feb 22, 2014

Engine 125cc, 2 valve, injected, single Power 13bhp Torque 8ftlb Weight 127kg Top speed 70mph

Read more: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle...-125cc-motorcycles/13342-7.html#ixzz2u4Lhieqr

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Mainjet2001 · Feb 22, 2014

" why is the CBR125R has a 6speed trans and the Grom doesn't? "

LateNA said:
It is only a $300 difference in MSRP from the Grom to the CBR125R. But the Grom doesn't need any additional gears, it can barely pull 4th gear on the top end. But the CBR is liquid cooled, has a different bore and stroke, pretty much a totally different engine.

Absolutely correct.......thus the term mixing apples and oranges.
The two are not the same.

GromTactical · Feb 23, 2014

FXCLM5 said:
well if they put that 6spd in the grom the MSRP in Thai would be close to 3000 usd, and that would translate to a $4200 msrp grom stateside......

A wealth of knowledge, as usual. So, would you say the Grom is overpriced? Would it be even more so with a 6 speed tranny? How about with a tranny riding it?

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Scoobs · Feb 23, 2014

I don't think the price would go that high, the CBR125R is only about 500$ more than the Grom and it has a few things that the Grom doesn't have. I was thinking it could help to get the full potential of the little engine.

GromTactical · Feb 23, 2014

A six speed tranny isn't needed with such a lot displacement. You'd be shifting every 3mph

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Mainjet2001 · Feb 24, 2014

Thus the "market place". Those of you who are reading this and have 4 speed groms......woulds you spend the difference for a 6 speed, and what do you get?

Gotwake424 · Feb 24, 2014

Mainjet2001 said:
Thus the "market place". Those of you who are reading this and have 4 speed groms......woulds you spend the difference for a 6 speed, and what do you get?

Rather have a grom, it's a completely different beast than the cbr 125. If I was going to get a 125cbr I'd just get the 250cbr. I don't see the point of the 125cbr honestly

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GromTactical · Feb 24, 2014

Exactly. I bought a Grom because it's a Grom. I don't even see the utility of the CbR250, frankly. Ninja 300 seems like the better bike, but that's getting off topic. The Grom is unique, fun, and economic. It turns heads. There's a lot of appeal to it.

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Gotwake424 · Feb 24, 2014

GromTactical said:
Exactly. I bought a Grom because it's a Grom. I don't even see the utility of the CbR250, frankly. Ninja 300 seems like the better bike, but that's getting off topic. The Grom is unique, fun, and economic. It turns heads. There's a lot of appeal to it.

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I do have my eye on a cbr305 my local dealer has though

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why is the CBR125R has a 6speed trans and the Grom doesn't?

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