[intergalactic808]

Just happened today just all of a sudden my Grom has a very hard time going into neutral.Have just over 3500 miles on it and been using Honda synthetic oil since about 1000 miles. At a complete stop engine running in first gear, clutch pulled in, its super hard to kick it up into neutral, so hard in fact that I even have a very hard time time pulling it up with my hand. 2nd to neutral is pretty hard too and it seems that it wants to just skip past neutral and go right into 1st. At first I thought it was the clutch adjustment and I tried adjusting it but same thing. With the engine off it goes into neutral easy. Shifting through the gears while moving feels normal but I noticed while downshifting it kind of skips neutral and just goes into first. I'm pretty sure it's not the clutch and thinking something in the transmission. Anybody have any ideas of what part of the transmission could cause this, this is my first bike and I'm not to familiar with these kind of transmissions. I just may have to go back to the dealer to check it out.

 

[fashionrider712]

did you check your chain slack?

 

[fashionrider712]

rolling back or forward helps a lil. an reving it up also helps. is your idle really low?

 

[intergalactic808]

rolling back or forward helps a lil. an reving it up also helps. is your idle really low?

I just went outside and did what you suggested. Chain slack is within spec, idle is around 1500RPM. I rolled back and forth a whole bunch of times while in 1st gear, clutch in trying to kick it up into neutral but still nothing. Also tried reving it up and it would just go into 2nd gear and skip past neutral around 3500-4000RPM. Thanks for the suggestions.

 

[The_Grominator]

this happened to me and I adjusted the throw on the gear lever... 5mm adjustment and it was back to normal... vibration had rattled the lock nuts loose on the toe lever adjustment and lengthened the arm that conect the box to the toe lever...Once I adjusted it back it was immediately fine again

 

[intergalactic808]

this happened to me and I adjusted the throw on the gear lever... 5mm adjustment and it was back to normal... vibration had rattled the lock nuts loose on the toe lever adjustment and lengthened the arm that conect the box to the toe lever...Once I adjusted it back it was immediately fine again

Cool thanks I'll try that in the morning. I only tried adjusting the bottom clutch adjustment point that sits on the motor.


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[StrayDog]

Mine did this for a while.
I found releasing the clutch slightly to the "Bite Point"
then pulling it back in seemed to do the trick.
The other thing is to knock it into Neutral whilst the bike is still rolling.
I'm with the other suggestions, wondering if the Clutch is dragging slightly.

Dog

 

[Strokd_GE]

Mine does this from time to time

 

[The_Grominator]

Did this get fixed? If so, how?

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[FXCLM5]

its a leftover bucket bin tranny on a 3k bike

im not surprised at all N is sometime hard to find, also mine pops outta 2nd gear sometime

dont expect it to be a smooth shifting gearbox and you will learn to accept and appreciate it more

 

[Floppyzebra]

its a leftover bucket bin tranny on a 3k bike

im not surprised at all N is sometime hard to find, also mine pops outta 2nd gear sometime

dont expect it to be a smooth shifting gearbox and you will learn to accept and appreciate it more

Mine me has also slipped out of second a time or two.

 

[intergalactic808]

Did this get fixed? If so, how?

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I think I narrowed down the problem. I jacked up the back of the bike, started it up in neutral, held the clutch in and kicked it into 1st gear. The wheel started spinning even though the clutch was held in. I also let go of the clutch and the wheel spun the same speed.Seems like the clutch is not disengaging all the way, I adjusted the clutch cable so there was no freeplay and even adjusted the lever on the handlebar to see if it would disengage but no luck. Any solution to this problem or should I just change the clutch out? Thanks everybody for the suggestions and help, this is a great forum!
heres a video of whats going on, sorry for the bad quality.

 

[RaZed1]

A fussy neutral is pretty much always from the clutch dragging. Some bikes are worse than others, but checking the clutch adjustment is step 1. I've noticed this can also just mean you need an oil change, fresh oil and the problem goes away. Different brands and weights of oil can have a big effect on this also. My Vmax was notorious for having a hard to find neutral. Using 5-40 oil helped a lot over 15-40, but I just got used to finding N while still coasting.



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[intergalactic808]

Cool, thakns RaZed1. Ill stop by the dealer tomorrow and pick up some oil. Pretty much time for an oil change anyways, last oil change was at 2500 miles now I got 4000. Hopefully thats just it.

 

[Gremlin]

I too was having clutch issues. Wasn't disengaging and shifting would just stick, not even move if I tried really hard with my hand. I tried everything from adjusting to oil, but nothing. It was maddening and sad. Only had bout 200miles on it. Finally just opened it up and the plates were smoked.

Replaced it with a whole new clutch kit from honda $110 including shipping. Then just started using Honda full synth. Shits been sooo smooth now. No problems.
"That's how it should feel."

I'm sorry bout yours hope it's not what I was dealing with. Maybe all honda? Seems a few people are having clutch issues. WTF?! HonDA!


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[THE GROMINATOR]

Mine did this since new. It is clutch drag, cuz when the motors off it shifts into N fine. There is just not enough throw in the cable/lever. The clutch is def the weak link in this bike, HOWEVER, if your bike jumps outta 2nd, the engage dog and window in ur tranny is shot. Thats what u get from power shifting from first to second. Let off throttle and use clutch. And btw, syn oil has friction modifiers in it, in otherwords it reduces friction, the clutch relies on friction to work. Use syn oil, and have fun changing clutches all the time.

 

[GromTactical]

This is a great thread. Very informative.


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[intergalactic808]

So I changed the oil today. Put in Honda
10w-30 GN4 motorcycle oil. I don't know if it made a difference. Seems like if I have been riding around then come to a stop then go from1st to neutral it goes in good but if I sit for a while in my driveway in neutral kick it in to 1st then try neutral it is very hard, so the clutch is still dragging. The bike shifts fine and everything so I'll just ride it like this until I get a new clutch. And maybe practice some burnouts and burn up the clutch to give me more of an excuse to get a new clutch lol!!


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[RaZed1]

I bet the CRF125 dirt bike uses pretty much this exact same motor sans EFI, I wonder if it's clutch would drop right in. Dirt clutches tend to be tougher.

Slipping out of 2nd into a false neutral on hard accel is from the engagement dogs on the gear getting rounded off. This is caused by hard clutch-less shifting from 1-2, it can happen on any bike, though again some bikes are more vulnerable than others. Always clutch the 1-2 shift, 2-3-4 you can just roll through.

 

[fashionrider712]

I bet the CRF125 dirt bike uses pretty much this exact same motor sans EFI, I wonder if it's clutch would drop right in. Dirt clutches tend to be tougher.

Slipping out of 2nd into a false neutral on hard accel is from the engagement dogs on the gear getting rounded off. This is caused by hard clutch-less shifting from 1-2, it can happen on any bike, though again some bikes are more vulnerable than others. Always clutch the 1-2 shift, 2-3-4 you can just roll through.

Are they even horizontal engines?

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