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What cold/hot pressures are you guys using with the Dunlop TT93 ?

20/20 cold. Just switched to them after running the Mitas.

Thread revival.

How do you guys find the TT93s compared to the Mitas?

Were you running Mitas rubber hardness, Normal, Soft or Super Soft ?

What size tires were you running on the TT93 and the Mitas?

Thanks!

 

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Just took an spirited street ride with power pure rear because my Mitas rear tire was worn.

Waiting on TT93 rear to try.

Power pure tires have much less grip than the Mitas. I was skidding more than I like using the rear brake.

Mitas is is a completely different class. Way superior for performance riding.

 

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Pard, have you tried the Kenda Kwick KD1 tires? If you haven’t, maybe give them a try sometime. I would love to hear your thoughts on how they compare to the Mitas and Dunlop.

The Kendas are pretty cheap. I just scored another set of them for $89 shipped. Some people have found much better deals than that. They are substantially lighter than the stock IRC tires that came on the bike. I really like them. They don’t last real long, but the performance is great. I don’t worry about the lack of longevity since they are so cheap.

Have not tried them yet. Glad to hear your recommendation. Been considering them. Maybe next tire change?

Really liking the TT93 rear BTW. Maybe even more than the Mitas. Harder to mount though. Stiffer sidewalls.

 

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The new KD2 is the best track tire out, that's not a full slick, and capable of street use as well....

Kenda KD2 12″ DOT Approved Race Tires (PRE ORDER for the Rear Tire)

Big Time Small Bore

mnnthbx.com

A set seems to be out of stock. Backordered.

 

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Pard, have you tried the Kenda Kwick KD1 tires? If you haven’t, maybe give them a try sometime. I would love to hear your thoughts on how they compare to the Mitas and Dunlop.

The Kendas are pretty cheap. I just scored another set of them for $89 shipped. Some people have found much better deals than that. They are substantially lighter than the stock IRC tires that came on the bike. I really like them. They don’t last real long, but the performance is great. I don’t worry about the lack of longevity since they are so cheap.

Ordered a set of the KD1s to try.

500 miles on the TT93 rear and it is toast already. Great grip but not a street tire at all. Not for me at least. Way too soft.

 

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Here are some tire weight comparisons.

The Kenda K-1 rear is very very heavy. Kenda front is also overweight. Kind of offsets the benefit of my carbon wheels. Not thrilled.

REAR

Kenda K-1 120/80 -12 rear :
9lbs 7 ounces (new)

Mitas MC35 medium 120/80-12 rear :
7lbs 10 ounces (worn)


FRONT

Kenda K-1 100/90 -12 front :
7 pounds 9 ounces (new)

Power Pure 120/70-12 front:
6 pounds 11 ounces (almost new)

Mitas MC35 soft 100/90-12 front :
6 pounds 7 ounces (worn)

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I didn’t know what sizes you have been running, but I did know that the 100 front and 120 rear sizes weighed more than the stock sizes. I am surprised they weighed that much more, though. I had no idea the Michelin Power Pure tires were so light. Did you weigh the Dunlop TT93? I’m guessing the Mitas tires are not DOT approved? Good grief, your rear Kenda KD1 120/80-12 is a boat anchor.

None of my Kenda tires have that red logo. I thought that was old and they stopped doing it. I went and looked at my actual photos.

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Why would smaller 100/120 tires weigh more than the stock larger 120/130 tires?

Did not weigh the TT93 yet, still mounted on the bike.

The Mitas MC35 are DOT tires. Great tires but the medium rear wears flat in the center after less than 1K road miles.

The Kenda is a fresh tire, made in 2021. Not sure why some would have a red logo and others not.

 

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Ordered one of these for the rear. I wear through rear tires very quickly using lots of rear brake and downshifting like I mean it.

Pirelli Diablo Rosso Scooter Tires
Model:Rear 130/70-12 (62P)

DIABLO ROSSO™ Scooter - Motorcycle tire | Pirelli

DIABLO ROSSO™ Scooter: a scooter tire with excellent grip and constant performance in all conditions

www.pirelli.com

 

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Did you send the Kendas back or are you going to try them? Like I said previously, I think you might like the weight of the Kendas in the 120/70 and 130/70 sizes best.

I wonder if the Pirelli tire will be a little heavy since it is a 62P tire? It’s hard to say, these weights seem to be all over the place.

Will try the Kenda K-1 as well. Just want them both on hand. Will test both.

Looking for a go to tire that provides both grip and some wear durability. 500 miles on a rear is not going to work. That's all I get on the TT93 Dunlop rear, slightly better on the MC35 mitas medium rear.

 

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I loved the Pirelli's on my Duc.. But they were crazy expensive and the V4 ate them up like crazy. I will say that after putting a few miles on the 100/120 combo I will not be going back to a 120/130 combo.

Yes. I prefer the handling on the thinner tires as well.

Wondering if the 130 vs 120 rear will be O.K. with the 100 front and allow me to get more than 2 weeks out of a rear tire.. Testing to find out.

I do about 50 miles of this kind of terrain almost every day. Not the track, but demanding of the tires.

First world problems...

 

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8 pounds 9 ounces for the Diablo Rosso 130/70

Right between the Kenda and Mitas in terms of weight.

Kenda K-1 120/80 -12 rear :
9lbs 7 ounces (new)

Mitas MC35 medium 120/80-12 rear :
7lbs 10 ounces (worn)

 

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The Pirelli is almost 1/2 pound heavier than the Kenda KD1 in the comparable 130/70-12 size. The TT93 is the question mark. I guess we’ll know soon.

Interesting that 130/70 Kenda is lighter than the 120/80 Kenda.

Hope to change the tire today so I will have a weight for you on a worn TT93.

Picked up this tire changer which is so much easier to use than the no-mar BUT is does not work on 12 inch Grom wheels which is a bummer. Makes bigger bike tire changes a snap.

I urged the manufacturer to make a 12 inch wheel retrofit kit. Hope he does.

 

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@DY101 seems to have this changer that works with the grom.

DYI01's street/kart track build

So another update. I got the motor back into the frame on Monday and got all the wires reconnected. I also redid the crank case venting system. Using the GromFatherz vented crank cover, some silicon hose, a brass T-fitting, a UNI breather filter, a vacuum nipple cover, and some zip ties...

www.hondagrom.net

Reifenmontiergerät EVO2 12-21"

Motorradreifen selber wechseln mit dem Reifenmontiergerät EVO2 12-21"! Mit einer Reifengröße von 12-21 Zoll sind hier nämlich auch Rollerreifen…

max2h.com

 

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Dunlop TT93 120/80 rear (worn) weight:
8lbs. 8 ounces

The fastest wearing tire I ever ran. 500 miles to the wear bars.

Interesting the same weight as a new Pirelli diablo rosso 130/70

Summary:

REAR

Kenda K-1 120/80 -12 rear :
9lbs 7 ounces (new)

Diablo Rosso 130/70 -12 Rear:
8 Lbs. 9 ounces (new)

Dunlop TT93 120/80-12 Rear (worn) weight:
8lbs 8 ounces

Mitas MC35 medium 120/80-12 rear
7lbs 10 ounces (worn)


FRONT

Kenda K-1 100/90 -12 front :
7 lbs 9 ounces (new)

Power Pure 120/70-12 front:
6 lbs 11 ounces (almost new)

Mitas MC35 soft 100/90-12 front :
6 lbs 7 ounces (worn)

 

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60 mile hard riding on the Diablo Rosso tires today. Good surface, hot temps. 22 cold 25 hot on the tire.

This is a cruising tire. Excellent shape and feel to the tire, not performance oriented grip. This tire should last a long time but I was sliding around on it.

Kenda K-1 up next.

I guess the tradeoff is simple. Want grip, pay for short tire life.

The only tires that I had slide on me like this at this point in the test have been power pures and the diablo rosso. The surface of both those tires feel similar and slick compared to the Mitas and Dunlop.

 

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I don't ride in the rain, which tires do I want for grippy street performance? I feel like the OEMs might be a bit slippery?

You came to the right thread!

Read the whole thing.

My personal favorites and that of many others is the Mitas MC35s

Crazy expensive at the moment:

Mitas Mini / Scooter MC35 2.0 S-Racer Racing tire SOFT front 100/90-12, MEDIUM Rear 120/80-12 SET | GatorRimZ

This is cheaper but not as sticky:

Mitas Mini / Scooter NORMAL MC35 2.0 S-Racer High Performance Street tire 100/90-12 120/80-12 SET Grom, Z125 | GatorRimZ

Better pricing here:

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Scooter Tires - Motorace

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Scooter Tire from Motorace maximizes contact patch at extreme lean angles and ensures great stability.

www.motorace.com

 

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Just ordered a 120/80 Mitas (Street HARD) rear to test.

Good price free shipping.

Wonder if it will grip. Probably not. LOL!

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Scooter Tires - Motorace

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Scooter Tire from Motorace maximizes contact patch at extreme lean angles and ensures great stability.

www.motorace.com

 

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120/80 -12 rear Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Street Hard has arrived.
8 lbs 2 ounces

In second place for lightest tire in the test.

Fast and free shipping from motorace.com

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Scooter Tires - Motorace

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Scooter Tire from Motorace maximizes contact patch at extreme lean angles and ensures great stability.

www.motorace.com

I like the feel of the rubber in my fingers. Feels very sticky, similar to the excellent medium and soft tires from Mitas.

REAR

Kenda K-1 120/80 -12 Rear :
9lbs 7 ounces (new)

Diablo Rosso 130/70 -12 Rear:
8 Lbs. 9 ounces (new)

Dunlop TT93 120/80-12 Rear:
8lbs 8 ounces (worn)

Mitas MC-35 S-Racer 2.0 Street Hard 120/80 -12 rear:
8 lbs 2 ounces (new)

Mitas MC35 medium 120/80-12 rear
7lbs 10 ounces (worn)

 

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Mounted the Kenda K-1 rear on the oem wheel for a test this weekend.

Once I find a winner, the new and almost new tires that were runner ups, will be for sale for a really really good price in case anyone else wants to do some testing.

After this I will test the Mitas hard tire and decide which one will be the winner for my purposes.

Going to stay with the Mitas MC-35 Soft for the front. That is perfect for me in terms of grip and wear.

Only the rear is up for consideration.

 

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Hey, somebody send me my Kenda fan club membership card!

60 spirited miles this morning on the Kenda K-1 120/80 rear tire mounted on a OEM rim.

Very nice tire. In terms of performance, I have nothing but praise!

The tire feels great to ride on, handles as well as any out there, and it GRIPS! I tried to get it to exceed limits but it hung in there and stuck. I am both very pleased and surprised. The grip is just as good as the Mitas medium and TT93 in my tests.

Interestingly as well, despite it being a heavy tire in comparison, and I had it on a heavy OEM rim instead of the carbon BST, there was no discernable loss of performance.

Now I am intrigued and will have to test a Kenda up front as well.

Next up for the rear is the Mitas hard tire.