My dealer will not give me an OTD price yet because he says a couple of things have not been confirmed by Honda. Shipping/destination is the main one. If Honda charges him $300 he is going to charge me $300 but Honda does not charge the same amount for shipping/destination on every bike. I know I will pay full retail $2999 and the dealer will make $50 or so on that. Dealers make about $90-$100 on a bike that retails for about $4500 so that should give you an idea of the minimal profit built into the MSPR of the Grom and Ruckus.