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Hi all, I've owned an MSX (Grom) for a few weeks now. Trouble is, they seem to be multiplying! Great to see a site dedicated to the bike. Ben 001.JPG
 

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Welcome Ben B. We are starved for Grom info. What is your size and how does the bike feel and handle. What are the one or two best things and worst things about it? How do you use it? Do you go on carriageways or stick to slower roads? Have you done long rides? How does the seat feel? Does it handle and sound OK at top speed and what is your top speed? Thanks.
 

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Welcome Ben B. We are starved for Grom info. What is your size and how does the bike feel and handle. What are the one or two best things and worst things about it? How do you use it? Do you go on carriageways or stick to slower roads? Have you done long rides? How does the seat feel? Does it handle and sound OK at top speed and what is your top speed? Thanks.
OK...... I am 6ft (1.85m) and only weigh about 10.5st (66kg) wringing wet. The bike seems great to me. The engine has plenty of torque for a 125 and is happiest around town. The handling is very positive and the bike can be pushed around easily. I'm using it to do short trips at the moment but would not be against going further. However, the seat is small and my tailpack would be difficult to fit. Unless I get a rear rack I suspect I'll be using other bikes for distance work. I'll happily travel short distances along dual carriageways and the bike is very happy at 60mph ish in most situations. I've not been any faster yet as I'm still running in, though it won't be much longer. The seat is hard. I find it ok, but it's nice to get onto something more plush. I like the way it looks - especially the fleck in the sunlight. I like that it's like a toy - so light and easy to use. I don't like the neutral selection - it's not as positive as it ought to be. I don't like the tyres - maybe if the same tyres had Continental stamped on them? I like this forum - BUT why does my return (next line) not work???
 

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I have the same problem. My attachment button doesn't work either. The blasted Yanks can't do anything right. Or spell! :p Strangely, you can copy/paste 'enters' into the text and they work! The stock tyres really are rubbish in the wet, down right scary. And I ride in the snow! Bike might work well with throw overs. Or, if you prefer, try getting one of the waterproof rucksacks off Overboard. They're made from bouncy castle material, and are REALLY well specced. Designed for Kayaking etc, but work great on a bike. I've got the blue 30L version, but it's huge. I can fit in a change of clothes, a packed lunch, my fully armoured leather trousers, and high bike boots. Waterproof Backpacks - Waterproof Rucksacks - Waterproof Bag | OverBoard . For short trips or work etc the 20L might be better, but it's nice to have one bag and be able to chuck anything in it. It would take two lids easy. I used to hate the idea of a rucksack on a bike, but I've been totally converted. Where abouts in the UK are you? Oh, and are you on the MSX125UK group on facebook? It's very good.
 

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Doesn't work for me.
 

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I guess the seat is long enough (since there is a little room in back for a passenger) so that a heavier backpack can rest on the seat behind you as you ride thus taking the weight off your shoulders? I bought a cheap but small and light backpack at Wallys which is the one I use most often to pack up with gym clothes when I ride my other bikes. This, and a fanny pack moved around to the side has worked so far for everything I want to carry for day trips. Would a tank bag work in addition, or is the tank too small? How does the bike like hot weather? Here in South Central Texas, the summers are brutal...over 100 F today, for example. Any issues with over-heating stuck in stop-and-go traffic? Since you British guys sorta speak American, we are counting on you for your impressions, suggestions, and ideas. LOL I already ran into a minor translation problem. Your service manual says to use "copper slip" for the bolts prior to replacing them. We call that anti-seize over here.
 

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I guess the seat is long enough (since there is a little room in back for a passenger) so that a heavier backpack can rest on the seat behind you as you ride thus taking the weight off your shoulders? I bought a cheap but small and light backpack at Wallys which is the one I use most often to pack up with gym clothes when I ride my other bikes. This, and a fanny pack moved around to the side has worked so far for everything I want to carry for day trips. Would a tank bag work in addition, or is the tank too small? How does the bike like hot weather? Here in South Central Texas, the summers are brutal...over 100 F today, for example. Any issues with over-heating stuck in stop-and-go traffic? Since you British guys sorta speak American, we are counting on you for your impressions, suggestions, and ideas. LOL I already ran into a minor translation problem. Your service manual says to use "copper slip" for the bolts prior to replacing them. We call that anti-seize over here.
You already have a service manual and haven't posted it here? What gives bro?
 

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I don't imagine these motors will suffer the heat badly. They're derived from the good old Cub engine, and we've just ridden 9 of them to the South of France in July over 3000m passes. None of them ever showed signs of heat problems. The MSX certainly hasn't given cause for concern. The rucksack thing is a possible - I'm just against wearing one if at all possible. Much better to let the bike do the work, rather than my back. The seat is certainly long enough. With a pillion the bike is fine. The rider has no choice of seating position, but that's ok if you're not planning a trans-continental! And here's a little pic of the Cubs on the highest paved pass in Europe.
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I guess the seat is long enough (since there is a little room in back for a passenger) so that a heavier backpack can rest on the seat behind you as you ride thus taking the weight off your shoulders? I bought a cheap but small and light backpack at Wallys which is the one I use most often to pack up with gym clothes when I ride my other bikes. This, and a fanny pack moved around to the side has worked so far for everything I want to carry for day trips. Would a tank bag work in addition, or is the tank too small? How does the bike like hot weather? Here in South Central Texas, the summers are brutal...over 100 F today, for example. Any issues with over-heating stuck in stop-and-go traffic? Since you British guys sorta speak American, we are counting on you for your impressions, suggestions, and ideas. LOL I already ran into a minor translation problem. Your service manual says to use "copper slip" for the bolts prior to replacing them. We call that anti-seize over here.
Oh dear, you yanks. What ever will we do with you? Firstly, fanny is either a) the name of an elderly aunt (being short for francis) or b) is an almost inoffensive term for a vagina. Or a pussy. Or maybe even CUNT! Fanny is not a word for your bum! The small item of luggage you're referring to is a bum-bag. These were though to have gone extinct in the mid-1990s....

Regarding copper-slip, it is a particular type of anti-seize lubricant, normally a mixture of molybdenum disulphide based lubricant and copper particles. Using just the phrase 'anti-seize' could refer to any number of compounds. Think of it like 'pickles'. Pickling is a process, an action. The verb is 'to pickle'. It is not a small green fruiting body preserved in vinegar. That is called a Gerkin. Calling some thing a 'pickle' could refer to any number of condiments. Onion, mixed vegetable, beetroots, chutneys. :p

Getting back to the important stuff, no, I've not had any issues over overheating. I've been stuck at Trafalgar Square in gridlocked traffic in over 90 F, moving barely a half a mile in 20 mins. No problems. Clicking into neutral when possible helps keep the clutch cool, as does hitting the kill switch when you know you've got a few minutes. Apart from that, fine. That seems to run a lot better in warm weather, probably due to being specced for Thailand originally. On cold evening the top speed can drop a couple of mph.

All the best, Gavin.
 

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That's good news about the bike staying cool. Today it was 104 F for the summer high temp. I still rode this morning in 80F temps and just got back from my evening ride at 90F. My Gixxer 1000 does not like the heat and makes me keep moving, but since I know all the roads very well, I can avoid traffic and long lights even if I don't end up where I intended. Summer is winding down though and by the time I get the Grom we well be back into the 90s for highs. Thanks again for the manual, Gavin. I have forwarded it to 3 people now.
 

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Oh dear, you yanks. What ever will we do with you? Firstly, fanny is either a) the name of an elderly aunt (being short for francis) or b) is an almost inoffensive term for a vagina. Or a pussy. Or maybe even CUNT! Fanny is not a word for your bum! The small item of luggage you're referring to is a bum-bag. These were though to have gone extinct in the mid-1990s....

Regarding copper-slip, it is a particular type of anti-seize lubricant, normally a mixture of molybdenum disulphide based lubricant and copper particles. Using just the phrase 'anti-seize' could refer to any number of compounds. Think of it like 'pickles'. Pickling is a process, an action. The verb is 'to pickle'. It is not a small green fruiting body preserved in vinegar. That is called a Gerkin. Calling some thing a 'pickle' could refer to any number of condiments. Onion, mixed vegetable, beetroots, chutneys. :p

Getting back to the important stuff, no, I've not had any issues over overheating. I've been stuck at Trafalgar Square in gridlocked traffic in over 90 F, moving barely a half a mile in 20 mins. No problems. Clicking into neutral when possible helps keep the clutch cool, as does hitting the kill switch when you know you've got a few minutes. Apart from that, fine. That seems to run a lot better in warm weather, probably due to being specced for Thailand originally. On cold evening the top speed can drop a couple of mph.

All the best, Gavin.
Who kicked who's fanny's out of north America over two hundred years ago, who? Yeah us yanks that's who.

A boot is what you wear on your foot, not the trunk of a car, usage: a boot to the head
A bonnet is a hat that the pilgrim women wore.
A hood is the engine cover of a car or the thing the KKK put over their heads when they are being big fannys.
A fag is a burning twig or bundle of twigs not a cigaret, don't say, "mate, flame my fag," in the united states.
Bespoke, isn't a word.
Never say "blow me" in America you might be surprised who obliges you.
cracking is never good.
grub is grub
Tips are gratuities not advise, please learn this custom while you are here.
Pickle is noun.
You put a rubber on your prick not your pencil.
Where did ya'll ever come up with anti-clockwise?
A bog is a marsh not a shitter.

Please take the above in good humor.
 

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Who kicked who's fanny's out of north America over two hundred years ago, who? Yeah us yanks that's who.

A boot is what you wear on your foot, not the trunk of a car, usage: a boot to the head
A bonnet is a hat that the pilgrim women wore.
A hood is the engine cover of a car or the thing the KKK put over their heads when they are being big fannys.
A fag is a burning twig or bundle of twigs not a cigaret, don't say, "mate, flame my fag," in the united states.
Bespoke, isn't a word.
Never say "blow me" in America you might be surprised who obliges you.
cracking is never good.
grub is grub
Tips are gratuities not advise, please learn this custom while you are here.
Pickle is noun.
You put a rubber on your prick not your pencil.
Where did ya'll ever come up with anti-clockwise?
A bog is a marsh not a shitter.

Please take the above in good humor.

Lol - wasn't it the French years ago?? - luckily we taught you some English first - or it would be Spanish or French now your speaking - so think yourselves lucky!!

A fag is a homosexual also in english - quite often we year someone saying can we bum a fag - meaning borrow a cigarette - not have sexual encounters between two men! - so we are used to English being changed - believe me my kids English is real strange - thats banging sick man - that's good.

We are used to you US guys different english - its OK - having spent the last 12 years in Europe / USA / China and India for 48 weeks a year - anyone who can talk near english makes me REAL happy.
 
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