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New 186cc BBK install overheating issues. Help me Obi-Grom Kenobis you're my only hope!

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I recently bought TBParts 186cc BBK + oil cooler kit. But I'm running into temperature issues when testing the 2018 Honda Grom engine build out. It exceeds 240F to 260F+ under normal load no WOT. I've included the list of mods I have done and hoping anyone can direct me to what I've done wrong or opinions on how to keep engine temperatures under control.

Cold Air intake
TBParts 186 cc bbk w/ external 3 row oil cooler. TB 186cc Grom Big Bore Kit and Oil Cooler Kit - TBparts.com
Pcx 150 fuel injector.
DHM 186cc Flashed ECU DHM 186cc ECU Reflash Service (During cruising, DHM has set AFR to be mid 14s to save fuel. On deceleration the numbers will be very high 16+ since there is no fuel being added. You can look for 11-13 when WOT. )
Dual aftermarket exhaust
10w-30 Oil
NCY Oil decompression tube
Opid Gen 2 engine temp gauge (set to P-2 Grom setting)
NGK Cpr7eaix-9 spark plug
Koso mini 3 air/fuel ratio meter
Idle Set to about 1800
Koso Oil Pump
NGK 2-CR8E Spark Plug (whitish brown residue after ride)


Installed BBK exactly by following Hard Racing's video found on YouTube.

Any ideas on whats causing this over heating issue outside of being in Arizona?
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Did not see a side cover in your mod list,,, If you are running your oil cooler straight thru the head bolt??? that is your culprit...
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Did not see a side cover in your mod list,,, If you are running your oil cooler straight thru the head bolt??? that is your culprit...
The TB 186cc cylinder has oil ports.

Spark plug? Most seam to recommend CR9E but I don’t know how much of a difference that would make as I still have no personal experience with BBK.
Maybe this member can assist Bbk heat issue
Did not see a side cover in your mod list,,, If you are running your oil cooler straight thru the head bolt??? that is your culprit...
This is how I'm running my oil cooler, see attached picture. Do you think the after market Clutch Cover and adding the cooler return needed?
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Going thru the jug is just as insufficient as going through the head bolt...
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Yes adding clutch cover,,, either get some longer lines to connect to existing oil cooler or upgrade oil cooler.

Really not too sure if it matters but I believe running your cooler upside down like that might also affect it's proper cooling ability
Side Question: Should my oil cooler be installed with the in/outlets on the the top (pic included) of the cooler or bottom like I have it currently?
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Yes adding clutch cover,,, either get some longer lines to connect to existing oil cooler or upgrade oil cooler.
I've seen many run 5 or 7 row Oil Coolers, are the 3 rows just insufficient ?
Can't really answer if the three row is insufficient, but the more rows the more cooling...
I do not have a bbk, but wonder if your lean cruise AFR could be contributing to your high temps? Especially in dry and hot AZ. You might ask David at DHM his opinion on the issue. You might also want to consider a trailtech tto gauge to monitor head temperatures as well.
Yes adding clutch cover,,, either get some longer lines to connect to existing oil cooler or upgrade oil cooler.

Really not too sure if it matters but I believe running your cooler upside down like that might also affect it's proper cooling ability
I don’t see how running the oil cooler upside down would affect anything as long as the oil pump has the output to pump oil through the cooler. That has me thinking though.
Not sure either,,, I didnt mean running it upside would have less cooling affect really meant it might affect ease of flow...
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Thank you Grom Jedi's for replying. Key points moving forwards.. Ordered the Kitaco cover, Will flip the oil cooler over and have the tippets on the top instead of the bottom. I will also get a longer house for the return from the oil cooler into the Kitaco clutch cover and test then. I will update this post when I complete these tasks.. Thanks again for all your input!
If you grabbing the oil from the cylinder to the external oil cooler that is the worst place to do it from, grab the return lines from the the Kitaco clutch housing unit and plug up the holes on the cylinder.

second you need a good oil catch can system, takegawa oil catch can and return vent, this will reduce internal crank case pressure and heat from the engine.

I wrote a couple of posting about that from building my Takegawa 181-4v engine builds and now that I have moved on to building 2020 Benelli TNT 135, with BBK kits and also 450cc transplant engines which is a better platform mini-bike if you want a reliable running mini-bike.

I'm tired of always fixing my BBK kit groms and my last upgrade for my Takegawa 181-4v was having JE pistons build me for custom 4v piston before I moved on to my new Benelli projects.

Good Luck on your Fix.

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Side Question: Should my oil cooler be installed with the in/outlets on the the top (pic included) of the cooler or bottom like I have it currently? View attachment 88383
Gravity feed so I would think upside down would not be as efficient
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I have a kitaco 181 without the clutch cover. I have a 5 row oil cooler with ports up. When i first ran the pcx 150 injector it ran very lean like yours, same numbers and over heating issues. I switched to the kitaco 10 hole injector and now runs great no over heating even in 120° heat. i dont have the kitaco clutch cover. Ive had the 181 for over 5k miles.
So, because I was researching 186 BBKs and came across this thread, I reached out to @azninja250 to see if they ever sorted out the issue and got the following reply: "It turned out my temp/voltage gauge (Opmid OPMID "Version 2.0" M1011 M1013 Engine/Head Temperature Gauge w/ Voltmeter (Plug-n-Play) GEN2- '13-'20 Honda Grom / Grom SF ) was known for misreading 20-30 degrees on groms.

I found multiple forum posts like this ( OPMID temp issue or something else.. ) Where people had issues with Opmid plug and play temp sensor.

I never found a replacement for my Opmid but my Big Bore Kit worked fine for me up until I sold it.

FYI I also added a external oil cooler and that Kitaco Clutch cover with sythetic oil with cooler spark plugs, that in my mind also help a bit but with that Opmid sensor.. who really knew.. LoL"

So all was fine :)
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