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Guys,
I just wired in my Kitaco i-Map fuel controler, into the MSX-170.

So why the i-Map over the PCV?
Well, I'm not sure how many riders are going to have $350.00 for a PCV, with the auto tune, $600.00, thats a lot of money.
The i-Map is $125.00 from Webike.com, $25.00 shipping, and $20.00 for my wiring kit, to make it easy to install.
Don't get me wrong, I love my PCV on my $12,000 Ninja1000, but $600.00 for a $3000 bike, I'm not sure.

So, I wired it in, and ran it for the first time tonight. There are 4 maps, including #4 that is programable with the Kitaco special cable that I ordered over the weekend. The download from Kitaco is free. So, if all goes well, I should have a basic fuel map by Saturday/Sunday. It already runs richer than with just the Grom ECU alone.

Brian S


 
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Grom'n-BR said:
Don't look forward to it Chris. I spoke to dyno jet the other day. It may not be released at all Bc of unresolved issues in developement.

i brought this up about a week ago in the thread "bazazz vs PC"
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I talked to them yesterday and they said maybe next week, Maybe I need to go to a stand alone unit
 
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i-Map Fuel Manager Working!!!!

Guys,
I received the special link cable from Webike/Kitaco two days ago. I spent the last two nights getting the COM ports to work, and all the drivers working. Please remember that I do not have ANY INSTRUCTIONS in English, everthing is in Japanese. So this was not easy. I have about 12 hour in getting the program, wiring, and instructions worked out. I down loaded the #4 program, modified it somewhat, and re-installed it into the i-Map controler. The injection responded pretty much as I figured. I do not have the injection mapped out, I just have it working, but if the weather improves, it's moving forward time.
Brian S
This is cool, because the i-Map is about $185.00 total cost, with shipping.


 
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Grom1202 said:
Hi. What Wires does the i-map tap in too when installing it .
Can you adjust timing.??
Is the revlimiter raised..
Thank you
Braap
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You cut an splice it into the ECU plug harness with supplied bullet connectors

I installed one on my 2013 Honda Metropolitan (the IMAP being for a Lead110) it uses the same 33 pin ECU the Grom does, the instructions are in Japanese but only took me about 30min to figure out wiring and about 2 hours splicing into the harness takin my time since they only supply you with the exact amount of connectors

The best thing about the IMAP is that it has 4 "dip" switches on it, 1 being normal ECU operation, 2: raises the rev limit and add fuel for say an exhaust, 3: potentially raises the limiter more and add more fuel for exhaust and intake, 4: is for an original map that you can tune via laptop

i would like to add to Brian's post while the IMAP is only 185, the data link connector for tuning is an additional 100$ or so if bought and shipped seperatly
 
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Clearify the i-Map

Guys,
Let me take a second and clearify a few items on the i-Map:
If you were to purchase the i-Map from Webike, which you can, it sells for $128.00 plus about $30.00 shipping.
So the total is $158.00.
The programming cable is $75.00, with shipping at $28.00. So the total is $103.00.
If you ordered them together, the combined total would be less. I did not, because I was unaware that the programming cable existed. That's my mistake, not Kitaco's.
If I get a good working program with the i-Map system, and I think I will, I'll provide that map free to anyone that uses my parts, whether they got the i-Map from me or not.
I have a ton of time in it, purely because I translated a lot of the instructions, so that I could better understand the function of it, since it will effect my big bore kit, and my wallet.
I also reworked the kit:
I added professional connectors to the system, so that it's easily removed, and I ordered special connectors for the link up at the ECU. The supplied connectors are all the wrong size for the 22 & 20 gage wire. I soldered mine in, but the average guy will have a hard time doing that, as I did, even with my complete shop full of equipment. My connecters do not require you to cut the wiring, except for the injector wire. The cut connections all have shrink tube on them. I also made a complete set of wiring instructions in English showing all the color codes, and listing each color code & connection. I'll also provide the i-map Fuel Manager, in English, with the right driver files, & maps to anyone who buys the big bore kit.
#1 - has a rev limit of 11,000
#2 - has a rev limit of 12,000
#3 - has a rev limit of 12,000, & a map for 133cc Kitaco bore kit
#4 - has a map that is completely programmable
*** Short note about Grom RPM:
It's all about average Piston Speed Per Minute!
9000=3376 FPM
9500=3564 FPM
10,000=3751 FPM Should be the MAX RPM
10,500=3933 FPM
11,000=4126 FPM
F1 Racing Engine - 3800 to 4200 FPM all the parts are titanium, as in very light weight.
Brian S
 
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As I have been working with the Kitaco i-Map fuel controller these last few days, I have been trying to figure out exactly what the O2 sensor is doing in the system. I know how they work, and their function, but really how this one works. Regardless how I program the ECU, after a little bit, I can tell that the O2 sensor is trying to "fix" the map, back to 14.7/1. So, I spent about 2 hours last night Googling NTK O2 sensors. I finally found the right information about the sensor. It works like all narrow band sensors, switching on & off at 14.7/1, .200 V lean/.800V rich. So I took all the data to work, and asked our head fuel injection engineer what he though. We talked about putting a resistor in the line to trick it, and then I suggested why not just remove it, and map the system without it? It would be as if the system was sold "open loop". He asked about highway use for long periods, where the system under light loads would normally lean out. We think that light load situations can be delt with within the map. So tonight I machined a 12mmX1.25 bolt to replace the O2 sensor. Once the temperature gets up to 25 degrees on Thursday, it's -10 right now, I'll fire it up and check it out with my wide band O2 sensor that I have on the exhaust.
It does fire up normally, and has no error codes, without the sensor plugged in.
Brian S
 
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